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I think you could do without having that kick and clap in the first several bars of your track -- leave room for transitioning. Speaking of transitions, that's probably the biggest issue I have listening here. Sometimes they're handled well. Other times, they feel like they lead to nowhere. You might like a video on the subject by Kush After Hours, the rule of pairs. He explains a basic rule of transitions that a lot of hit producers use. Add or change two elements for each transition, and take two away :)

Overall I was kind of underwhelmed with this piece. We have a lot of interesting melodic content and a structure that isn't too bad, but I don't really hear a bass. I hear some chords really low down that I don't know if you mean to be the bass. It's very low and I don't really hear it at all. Your mixing rig may be bass boosting or something, if that's not what you mean.

The high transitions are really sibilant and are the only things that sit in that space through the whole song. I would turn them down some. We're not going to not hear them just because they're a little lower.

Really I feel this song could benefit most from just having a clear bassline that I can hear. Your chords aren't bad at all. Your leads could probably benefit from not being sustained so much, just a personal preference, but all the drama is sucked out of the track just by not being able to hear a bass.

Anyway, don't take it to heart. There are plenty of resources online to help you get out into producing. You're halfway there. I think you should revisit this sometime :)

Thanks for coming out to NGUAC!

Xrus responds:

I made this song in an hour. It was just to test out some things.

Arrangement is nice here. My critique could probably be reduced to mostly mix.

That hihat in the right on the intro, I would probably take it back over to 40% right. The sax could also come up a half dB. Snare could also stand to come up in the mix. It sounds like we may be having some clipping on 0:22 seconds when the kick hits.

I think those leads on the sides are too loud relative to percussion. It seems to be throughout the piece as a whole as I'm listening, with sidechain used to bring it back through. I find myself wanting a crunchier kick.

That said, your rhythms are blazing and the melodic content is tasty.

I would take down the lead piano before 1:40 by about a quarter dB to a whole dB, apply more compression.

Percussion throughout really is so quiet in the mix and sounds tinny by 2:26. Overall, the track tends to be tinny whenever those trappy stabs come in.

I really like the WHAT THE F- sample. Very tonal and has a lot of character to it.

Writing of your growls is good. I found myself wanting the droning bass under it to be an octave lower and maybe grittier on drops -- like a trap 808, distorted.

It sounds like you have a lot of reverb on your sustained synths and stabs. I would cut that down by quite a bit and make sure to lop off 0-250 hz on the wets to leave room for your bass. I feel that contributed somewhat, especially with such heavy compression, to the lack of oomph from the sub.

Overall, without your wonderful writing, I'd have a lot less nice things to say, but this is a solid and cohesive piece. I can really see where you put a lot of your effort, and it does shine through. The rest of my critique would fall in line somewhere around trunotfals, maybe a little less compression, and it would sound cleaner and less high-end heavy. Make sure you're mixing with your master FX off, or a lot of these issues become more or less impossible to fix, especially tinny-ness. Speaking from experience.

But anyway great piece. Will be stuck in my head a while yet. Thanks for coming out to NGUAC!

Walpang responds:

Thanks for such a thorough review!
Mixing/mastering is still a relatively new process for me, so I'm not surprised that it's lacking a little in that department. I'm glad you enjoyed everything else, though.

This is a really cool concept!

I'd like a different synth at 0:45. Personal preference is that to me it's a little cheesy.

Very interesting speech to text rap. How long did that take to get out?

1:30 section sounds like it may be overcompressed and mixed too loud. I would take down those leads some and let your percussion shine. It's hard to pay attention to them in the mix with those synths up so far. I'm also not a huge fan of the overall tones I'm hearing. The rhythm is good.

Personally 2:17 isn't my cup of tea when that lead comes in. The foley in the background is giving me a weird lump in my throat feeling, until it just suddenly isn't there.

The solo is nice but I would apply more compression to it. The lead pumps up and down a lot volume wise. On higher frequencies it's a bit ear piercing. Well written there.

Next section has a lot of intricate work on the panning and stereolizing. I'd like less of a flange-chorus type effect on that, less reverb overall, and more saturated high mids. Make it crunchy.

Other than that, with some issues with your presentation, I really enjoyed the piece. Probably one of the more interesting I've seen.

Thanks for coming out to NGUAC!

uvimusic responds:

Thx for the great review! I'm glad you noticed my attempt at trying to be creative :) Mixing is definitely my weakest point so thx for the suggestions there too! The tts rap actually wasn't too hard to figure out, all I had to basically do was put the lyrics through the tts to mp3 website and change up the timings a bit to fit the rhythm of the song.

We're pretty low mid heavy in our intro, with lots of reverb throughout the whole track, which sort of gives the feeling of having the whole top of the EQ lopped off the track. However, I do like your writing, and your transitions are solid.

One area I wish I heard more of, your drums, overall they're much quieter than the rest of the mix, especially the snare. I would turn everything else down until they're clearly heard. Believe me, those chords aren't going to go missing -- they're the only instrument in the space :)

Musically you've written quite a journey, with lots of interesting twists to follow. Sometimes I am not a fan of the chords in the low mids chunked together. Other times I think they work. Maybe some theoretical study on inversions and chord voicing will be helpful to you, but that's not hurting your presentation so much as just not being able to hear what's going on.

Overall I enjoyed the piece. My biggest recommendation would be just to study mixing, particularly as we try to get this big spacious vibe. There are great shows to watch such as Kush After Hours where mixers talk shop. I would start there, maybe try some of the tricks you learn on an old project you like. My main gripes in mixing is making sure to low cut reverbs up to 250 hz, and turning down the reverb lower than you think it should be, for the sake of cleanliness. Reverb is nasty and muddy if you let it be, and takes away from the clarity of a track.

But anyway, interesting piece. It was fun to listen to. Thanks for coming out to NGUAC!

TheSentiment responds:

Thank you for your insight! I'll definitely make the drums more prominent. I also put a book of advanced theory topics on my wishlist, so I hope to learn more very soon.

I'm not sure if that's vinyl distortion, or digital I'm hearing on the sides in your acoustic. I'm going to guess intentional from the distorted vocal. There's a bit of 0-250 hz screaming on the bottom of that, sounds like. I'd cut it.

Voice wise, great style. I would take off some resonant freqs in the mids with a multiband compressor, and compress them a lot more overall. Bring them up in the mix on the non-distorted parts.

Overall really cool idea and presentation, somewhat hampered by vocals not cutting through until you distort them. Without that, they sound a little muffled.

Drums, I would also compress a lot more and cut down on the reverb some, unless you want to apply gated reverb to the snare. Could also use a stereo component to that shaker type percussion in the right channel. The reverb touches the other channel, sounds like, but you could just put a ride or something occasionally to give the left balance.

Overall, cool little jig. I enjoyed listening to it, although I did have to turn it down at points with the aforementioned peaky distorted vocal. At a more comfortable volume, it was a nice little trip into outer space :)

Thanks for coming out to NGUAC!

TheRealFool responds:

The distortion on the guitar is digital, and actually mostly the result of cutting off the highs and lows (plus a slight flanger to give it a bit of a spacy quality, but that's also present in the second part). I certainly could've done some more to try and make the distortion sound less resonant at times though, this was the first time I tried doing something like this so I'll just chalk it up to a lack of experience in making things sound purposefully bad in a good way. I'm also usually pretty hesitant with compression, but I'll be sure to take your tips into consideration for future work.

Thanks for the review and happy to hear you enjoyed it!

Pretty great for stock FL only. Wow how the DAW has improved over the years.

I would say the bass has a bit too much mids. Like truenotfals mentioned, it's filling up my ears and I'm wanting to hear at least a break in it from sidechain. Maybe sidechain heavier. As we go on, the bass gets seemingly louder and louder -- but clearer as the instruments on the sides back off. Remember, your percussion, namely kick and snare, should be the loudest instrument in your track, even if sidechain is used, they should still be able to cut through without it. I would turn your bass down by up to a dB but not over that.

Otherwise, my comments would run close to trunotfals, with the exception of liking your piano lick and wanting to hear more of it. I also am enjoying your structure. Final gripe would be -- let me hear a nice long sustained i chord at the end! :P

Anyway, nice work. Enjoyed the listen. Thanks for coming out to NGUAC!

ArramEggleston responds:

Thank you for the review! Yeah, looking back on the track the bass is a bit loud. I'll remember that for the future.

I'm quite literally without any meaningful critique, maybe beyond preferring a little less reverb, no thanks to absolutely flawless libraries. I had to look that one up.

I do find myself wanting a more spacious string sound. They're pretty thin throughout.

Thanks for coming out to NGUAC!

potato-stick responds:

Thank you for the feedback! I wanted the brass to be the main element of this song, which is why I didn't end up using a full string section. That might have brought out the more spacious feel you were looking for, so thank you for the feedback in that regard! Reverb and mixing is something I've been working on striking the proper balance in and I agree that I used a bit too much in this mix, so thanks for pointing that out as well :)

Liking the tune so far up to 30 seconds in. One thing I'm noticing, trying to mask the synthy sound of the strings with lots and lots of reverb. Sounds like you might be using Nexus as well which is known for putting reverb on everything.

I'm not sure what that guitar synth chug was doing there. Didn't sound bad. Actually a lot of things I'm noticing with transitions, it seems to be just one instrument moving in a different way than we're used to. I would recommend taking a look at some structuring techniques on YT, and a video I'm fond of, Kush After Hours "rule of pairs" for good transitioning practice. It's only about as long as your song last I recall. The basic concept is to add 2 new elements and remove two elements for every transition. Keeps things fresh.

Throughout the reverb gets pretty intense. Cutting the wet signal down, shortening it, and low cutting it up to 250 and sometimes 400 hz helps keep it from getting overbearing.

3:04 has a wrong note. There are several instances like that where we just have clashing. Not 3:12. That's fine. I mean intervals of 13 semitones.

Other than that, the piece has a lot to offer. sometimes feels like two or three different songs put together, but when it works, it works together well.

Enjoyed the listen. Thanks for coming out to NGUAC!

LtFS responds:

Well, sad, but fixable. Thank you

Good use of SFX here in your intro, and lofi piano is holding my interest with its writing. I'm wanting maybe a little crisper sound out of that rather than the crunch. Polyrhythms are nicely written.

I actually think your auxiliary percussion could probably come down. It's just the only instruments in that space. 2:17 by contrast everything sounds perfectly in place. Beautiful. Your transitioning was somewhat muddy to this point, but this is perfect. I could use a little more clarity and less reverb between your instruments, but it's all sounding good. Ghost notes on the drums are sounding good. Still could use more clarity.

The piano chunk up high after that section distorted a bit the first time I heard it.

Great work here. I really enjoyed listening to this piece.

Thanks for coming out to NGUAC!

Glassedhouse responds:

Haha yeah! I make music on an extreme budget so my sound/production with realistic sounding instruments is somewhat limited (Like the piano you mentioned). Composition is my true passion! And I've been learning how to use the more technical side of Ableton for about 3 months now. Regardless, these are all pretty fair criticisms, and I'll definitely take them onto future songs I do in this style. Thank you!

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