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PSA: What to Do When People Ask You to Scout Their Songs in Reviews (Hint: Don't Do It)

Posted by ADR3-N - December 6th, 2016


I'm seeing a lot of people spamming reviews on new songs for others to scout them lately, and I'm here to tell you now, don't do it, tell all your friends not to do it, tell your friends' friends not to do it, share this post... You know where I'm going with this. This isn't generally a problem, so newer users are especially vulnerable to be taken for a ride.

Why not just check these guys out and scout? It might seem innocent at first, but scouting isn't a one way street. If you scout someone and they later break the rules, you're also held accountable, and even though the song you're being asked to scout them on could be legitimate, you also have to consider that they're asking you to scout them in an illegitimate way. The review box is for reviews, not solicitations.

Not only are these reviews useless to you, but usually these people are stealing music for use in Geometry Dash (or just plain personal gratification) and trying to use you to get away with it. Prime example, today, this guy steals this song from Stephen Universe and uses reviews to dupe YOU into jeopardizing your privileges in the audio portal for 5 minutes of fame. What does this mean for you? You could lose not only your ability to scout other artists but be unscouted yourself and/or receive a permanent ban from submitting to the AP. No bueno.

What should you do instead? Well, first, those of you worried about your whistle, I'd check if they're copying and pasting these reviews elsewhere. If so, they fall under the "don't leave tons of junk reviews for points" rule, and you can flag them "abusive".

You can flag them "useless" if this doesn't seem to be the case, or you just don't want to risk losing your hard earned whistle. Asking people to scout you in a review isn't explicitly against the rules, but a lot of mods will remove these reviews anyway, just because they're, well, useless.

Secondly, I would check to see if the submission they're asking to have scouted is STOLEN. Search for the title, do an audio analysis search, w/e. If you see a guy that joined very recently, and his audio seems top quality, yet he's claiming something is his first song or something like that, this is suspicious and should be handled with care. Pay close attention to the description as well, especially if it seems incoherent, erratic, or is pressing for people to scout. If it mentions Geometry Dash at all, or its creator, RobTop, this is a huge red flag for me as well. Very seldom are these submissions legitimate.

If you find stolen audio report it here to the Audio Portal Cleanup thread and flag it. Proof could be something as simple as finding the material on YouTube or SoundCloud from a different author on an earlier date, or just knowing the material was from a well-known producer like Skrillex. Don't write a review saying the track is stolen. This is against the rules.

If you find abusive reviews or need a second opinion before flagging reviews, @Psychopath, who runs the Whistle Cow Crew, is generally regarded as an expert in this area. You could contact him or a mod if you find you really just don't know what to do here. Never respond to an abusive review with another review.

I will say that since the Abusive Review thread was locked for, well, abuse of the flagging system, information on abusive reviews is usually shared by PM or newspost. Now, just because there's no threads to lock or forum users to be banned in this equation, you should never flag a review just because someone else thinks you should flag it, only if you see rule breaking. This is a good way to lose whistle points. When in doubt, flag "useless" or don't flag at all. Asking for future reference is a big help, too.


TLDR, when you see these guys soliciting scouts in reviews:

  • Don't scout
  • Check join date
  • Check for spam/abusive reviews
  • Flag rule breaking reviews
  • Check out the song(s) in question
  • Check the title and description
  • Find originals (if stolen)
  • Report to AP Cleanup
  • Tell your friends

Bottom line, don't give these guys what they want. They don't care about the songs they're leaving junk reviews on, our community, or what damage they do to your account if they manage to dupe you into scouting them and they later get caught stealing audio (which they certainly will).

Be careful who you scout, and if you see someone breaking rules, it's up to you whether to confront them about it or not. If you do write them a PM, bear in mind you're probably in line for a lot of entitled noise about how NG rules are stupid and we should be able to post whatever we want, or our rules are unfair somehow. Keep it classy. Honestly, I'd just shoot a mail to the people getting these junk reviews, link them my post or whatever. People need to know when they're being taken advantage of.

~EDM364


Comments

People actually ask to be scouted on reviews? Reviews are lousy enough as it is (I see people give submissions 3 stars but then don't explain why on a review), we don't need spam included in that.

Yeah, it's getting more and more common lately. I just caught that guy today checking new audio. Keep on the lookout!

Yeah, that exact same guy who was begging to be scouted earlier today in reviews (having not seen someone do that before, I was *almost* shocked at his sickening level of audacity) sent it to me in a PM. I guess I should be glad he didn't leave it in a review, at least. Anyway, I was just about to contact BrentHeMan about the situation, but fortunately I noticed this post first. Very well written, and nice job getting his uploads removed quickly and efficiently.

I really hope that artists who don't understand the delicate nature of scouting other users read this in its entirety. I've messaged some people and explained it to them before, but man--that gets tedious. New users especially need to understand just how liable they'll be if they decide to scout someone who isn't legit.

It does get tedious saying the same things over and over, and nowhere is it really clearly explained just how much of a risk you're taking by scouting someone. It wasn't much of a widespread issue before GD came about, though. Most of the reason I created this post was just to have something to link people to rather than having to constantly explain the same couple of points. Who knows, maybe people will share this post around for the same reason. Hope so. People need to know. Thinking about dropping this in my sig.

I'm a casual user of this site, so this is news to me. Forgive me if this is a stupid question, but would I be right in assuming the same thing goes on in the Art Portal?

Yes, especially the scouting bit. If you scout someone who later steals, you can be penalized, so make sure you only scout legit artists!

thats cool and all, but can you scout me

lol. Scout you for what?

Honestly, there's almost no point to scouting anybody. The more people you scout for the audio portal, the more points of failure you create, and when someone gets unscouted, the person who scouted them loses their scouting privileges and everyone else they ever scouted also become unscouted. There is no reward or incentive to scouting anyone, only a cascade punishment for misjudging them. The scouting system was meant to prevent audio piracy from becoming public and becoming visible to music labels, but the workaround for such a system is obvious to anyone looking to sabotage the site; it wouldn't be until after you scout them that they'd start breaking the rules.

The old system where you had to wait for a mod to approve your account to submit audio was better, if only because responsibility wasn't rested solely on a largely irresponsible userbase.

Art. You're gonna have to unscout me and then scout me again

I'm afraid this is beyond the scope of whatever deification I've been rumored to have undergone in the past few days. That or I'll need a detailed set of instructions since I don't really mess with the art portal much.

Wow, this Geometry Dash shit is really pervasive. I just got two stolen songs removed, that were submitted in 2015.

By the way, since the guy behind Geometry Dash is making money on Steam while using your music without your permission, you may have grounds to sue him for the money he should've been giving you.

Can we really do that? I mean, class action would be the only way for a lot of us to go, but can we? Not that I want to drag a guy through that legal process but I know I'm not alone in specifying that commercial uses be arranged with me prior to my material being used in games/movies.

Dang, crazy. Thanks for the heads up! :)

Any time. Keep an eye out!

Indeed !
I've got some of this scouting beggars reviewing my stuff.
After checking their tracks, turned out they were stolen (except for one case).
I really hope Tom and the NG staff are thinking about a solution to keep all those "GD kids" under control ; Its already a problem, but I think it could turn into a big-ass problem if it continues like this.
I was lurking into the unscouted rock tracks a couple of weeks ago, around 85 % of all the tracks there, were stolen, I spotted 200+ tracks. And that was the rock section alone.
How deep the rabbit hole goes ?

@Psychopath
The 200+ stolen tracks I could identify are still sitting on the audio cleanup thread.
The list starts here :
http://www.newgrounds.com/bbs/topic/1375322/79#bbspost25960231_post_text
Most of them are easily identifiable. It's a whistle gold mine for the crew.

@NekoMika have you seen these? Most of them are still sitting untouched.

Goody Goody Gumdrops!

THIS GUY HAS NOT BEEN DEALT WITH:
http://cvinces.newgrounds.com/

Pmed me to get me to scout him... I checked the title and it was the SAME SOUNDTRACK you just mentioned...

i flagged him and put his work in AUDIO PORTAL CLEANUP forum... no one hasn't done anything!

You reading this @Nekomika

He's been taken care of now, looks like.

well just unscout me 2 times in a row and then scout me 3 more times and we'll call it even

That's a lot of hoops to jump through. There you go. Now, break the rules and I'll break your internet connection... probably. I've taken a look at your stuff. Seems genuine :P

lmao fuck i was joking. i didnt think you'd actually do it
thx though

I just wanted to see if you wanted it that badly :P If you'd like a review or two, feel free to ask

"Can we really do that? I mean, class action would be the only way for a lot of us to go, but can we? Not that I want to drag a guy through that legal process but I know I'm not alone in specifying that commercial uses be arranged with me prior to my material being used in games/movies."

If what you say is true then yes, you totally could. Your audio was uploaded before he made the game, so you can prove he downloaded it from here and started making money with your work without your consent.

I would suggest contacting a lawyer. Ask him everything you want to know on the phone before hiring him and filing a lawsuit. If you can get multiple people together to back you up, it'd make your case a lot stronger.

My concern is the commons license we use isn't exactly enforced. Do you think that would be a legal hurdle? Should we start a petition or something, seeing as suing RobTop could be difficult to manage for some people, who may not be able to get in touch with lawyers or have money for fees. I know next to nothing about that side of the legal system, just death, taxes, and general petty crime.

I am starting to seriously think about this petition. Where should I write it?

Hmm.. Well, change.org is the place I hear about most